Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/09/Category:Cristo Redentor (Rio de Janeiro)
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From the discussion here, English language should be the most recommended language for category names. This work is universally known in English as "Statue of Christ the Redeemer" (or sometimes "Christ the Redeemer statue"). To align with parent category Category:Statues of Christ the Redeemer in Brazil, this category should be moved to the more recognized English name of the statue: Category:Statue of Christ the Redeemer (Rio de Janeiro). Note that the final decision may affect similar categories like Category:Cristo Redentor (Barra Velha) and Category:Cristo Redentor, Ilhéus. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 11:18, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Oppose I think only 5% of people in Brazil speak English. That's way to low to change the name. Maybe changing the name of the other categories would be justified depending on how many people speak English in the countries where those statues are located. I don't really know, but at least IMO it's a bad idea to change categories to English in cases where the percentage of people who speak the language there is extremely low. --Adamant1 (talk) 11:36, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Adamant1 have you seen the discussion conclusion? Since "Libingan ng mga Bayani" was moved to Category:Heroes' Cemetery in the Philippines despite many English-language sources from the Philippines not using the English name ("Libingan ng mga Bayani" is even used in everyday communication here), it appears English should be the principal language to be used in categories. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 23:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not going to rehash the Village Pump discussion, but the guideline is pretty clear that things should be taken on an individual bases depending on the circumstances and as I pointed out in on the Village Pump most people in the Philippines speak English. So I don't think it's an issue in that case. Whereas most people don't speak the language in this case, so it is. That's just the kicks of having a guideline that depends on the circumstances. It's at least better then pander to every nationalist who comes along and wants to change everything to their "native language" regardless of how it is IRL or how many people speak the language there. Not to say you or anyone else is doing that here, but I have seen it happen. See the whole "Czechia" versus "Czech Republic" thing for one example. --Adamant1 (talk) 23:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Category names "should generally be in English" but proper names (the names of individuals or specific objects) are a reasonable exception (though I prefer parent categories for classes of things to be in English). --Rudolph Buch (talk) 15:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Rename See the Universality principle, which says that names of subcategories should be in line with the parent category, in this case Category:Statues of Christ the Redeemer in Brazil, and that should be in line with Category:Statues of Christ the Redeemer by country and so on. Reasons might be:
- Categories are not just for inhabitants of a country, but for the whole world. People who do not speak Portugese should also be able to find files and categories about this subject. Wikidata items and descriptions in the native language can be a solution for inhabitants.
- The category structure is also a system. In a system all objects about the same subject, should have the same name. Application: More and more editors use templates, for categorizing and navigation (for example for countries, provinces and other subdivisions). Then all subcategories should start with the same name, otherwise the template is not working.
- --JopkeB (talk) 03:42, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wikidata items and descriptions in the native language can be a solution for inhabitants. You make a fair point. Things like this could and probably should be off-loaded to Wikidata. From what I've seen a lot of individual works, including statues, don't have Wikidata items though. I feel pretty strongly that users of Commons should be spending more time documenting works and artist on Wikidata though. Since we clearly benefit from it on our end. But it's a little hard to say we should use Wikidata as the default for this stuff when it's still lacking entries for a good percentage of stuff on here. --Adamant1 (talk) 04:13, 10 September 2024 (UTC)